"That Metal Show is the result of me finally having the opportunity to do a show the way I've always wanted to."
Eddie Trunk: Hello.
Wikimetal (Nando Machado): Hello, Eddie?
ET: Yes.
W (NM): Hi Eddie, this is Nando and Daniel from Wikimetal, Brazil, how are you?
ET: Hi everyone, how are you?
W (Daniel Dystyler): Alright, Eddie. This is Daniel, how are you?
ET: I'm fine, thank you.
W (DD): Great. Eddie, similar to what has been happening with us here in Brazil for the last, let's say, ten years, we are very happy to have you on the show, because you grew up passionate about heavy metal and dedicated a large part of your life to this type of music, so first of all, on behalf of all Brazilian headbangers, I would like to thank you for everything you have done for metal, and welcome to Wikimetal.
ET: Well, thank you, I'm very happy to be here with you all. I appreciate all the support from the fans in Brazil; it's great to hear from you there. One day I hope to be able to visit. I've never been there, but I would love to. I know the TV show is very popular too, and that's great to hear. As you said, I've been doing this for many decades, and it's good to finally be able to connect with you through the TV show. I think people also have access to radio programs in Brazil, so it's great to be here, and thank you for having me.
W (NM): So, starting from the beginning of your career, Eddie, I imagine a lot has changed since you were a kid writing a column called “Sharps & Flats” in Madison, New Jersey. But what are the things that remain the same after 30 years?
ET: Well, you're right, a lot of things have changed. What you just mentioned, which I started doing when I was a kid, when I was in high school, was the first thing I did in music, was writing for the school newspaper, because I wrote about bands that I wanted people to know about, that I thought didn't get exposure. And that's exactly the same thing that guides me today, and that has guided me for the last 30 years, because it's the same concept. I'm still trying to expose and raise awareness about these bands and this music that I don't think gets the credit it deserves, so that's something that definitely remains. What remains for me is the cause, it's fighting for these bands to get exposure for them. But obviously, a lot has changed, the way I do it has changed. The media, you know, when I was young, if you had a CD or something like that, you were considered a real artist because you had a CD. Now, with computers, everyone can make CDs and download things, so it's kind of hard to determine what's good and what's not. And obviously, there are many more ways to reach people, whether through the internet, you know, through Twitter, podcasts… And I think that's both good and bad. I think it's good because there are more ways and opportunities, but it's bad because many people can do it now, and that can be a bit illusory, you don't know what's real and what's not, in the sense that you don't know… It's harder to know what has real impact and reach, and what's only being heard by one or two people. So the world has changed a lot in that sense since I started, but I'm happy to continue being a part of it, and I think a big reason for that is that I've always been true to what I believe in. And that remains the same.
W (DD): Great, Eddie. And how did music, and then heavy metal, come into your life?
ET: Well, the first heavy rock band I liked was Kiss. When I was little, I was thirteen years old, and my first concert was Kiss, in New York at Madison Square Garden. And that really changed my life: seeing Kiss and getting my first heavy rock album, which was "Kiss Destroyer." So that's what started me, and for a long time I was obsessed with nothing but Kiss, for a few years. And then I realized that I should, you know, explore other bands, you know, when I was little, I thought you could only like one band, I wanted to be loyal to that band, I thought that if I liked any other band it would be a disrespect to the band I truly loved at the time, which was Kiss. And that's what you think when you're a kid, but obviously, as I got older, I realized, "Well, maybe there's some other music out there that I should check out," and that's what I did, and from there I started listening to Black Sabbath, Aerosmith, UFO, AC/DC, and other things from that era, and I started exploring and learning about all that music. And since then, as today, I still like many of those same bands. I've always liked heavy metal and I've always liked hard rock. I think they're two very different things, but they're connected in some way, and I've always liked both. I've never been afraid to admit that I liked Slayer and that I also liked whatever hard rock was around at the time, whether it was…
W (DD): Motley Crew.
ET: Bon Jovi or White Lion, who I worked with for a while, or those kinds of bands too. I like both worlds, I've never had a problem admitting that, back then or now. I like to mix everything.
W (NM): And have you ever tried playing an instrument or forming a band?
ET: When I was little I took drum lessons for a short period, but I got very frustrated. I lacked discipline, I lacked patience. I wanted to pick up the drumsticks and immediately play like the drummers I heard on my albums, and when I couldn't do that after about a month, I gave up. So, apart from playing in my school band at a very young age, I don't play anything. It's one of my biggest regrets. I'd love to play. I've had so many honors; recently Michael Schenker gave me one of his guitars. I'd love to be able to, but I don't know how to play any instrument. And that's kind of why I took the path I took, because when I realized I couldn't be a musician because I lacked skill and discipline, I said, "Well, what's the next best thing?" And the next best thing was, "Well, maybe I could work with these musicians to help promote them." But one day, I always say, I'd like to stop and take some classes, but my schedule is too full right now to be able to dedicate myself to that.
W (DD): I understand. Eddie, we have a classic question on our show that we ask everyone we interview, which is, imagine you're listening to the radio on a rock station, or driving your car, or listening to your iPod on shuffle, and suddenly a song starts playing that makes you lose your mind and start headbanging immediately, no matter where you are, you can't contain yourself. What song would that be, so we can listen to it on our show now?
ET: Cool question. What song would trigger that in me? Oh, you know, one of my all-time thrash metal albums is "Taking Over" by Overkill. And there's a song on that album called "Powersurge" that's one of my favorites, so I think that's the one that would make me do it.
W (NM): Eddie, let's talk about "That Metal Show," whose sixth season just started here in Brazil on VH1. It's very easy to see the chemistry between you, Don, and Jim. How did you all meet, and how did the idea for the show come about?
ET: Well, I've been working for VH1 for ten years now, here in the United States. I was a presenter for them in 2002, on the channel where the show airs here in the United States, called VH1 Classic. And I've always been a presenter for them, and I've interviewed a lot of different artists, I was an interviewer and a VJ, and during all the years I did that, I always told them, "I would love to have my own show someday," meaning I wanted to have my own voice, invite the artists I wanted, and do it without any kind of restriction regarding what I could or couldn't say. And that never materialized, but I kept insisting. And then finally, in 2008 I think, they called Lemmy for a meeting to discuss the idea of doing some kind of heavy metal show. And that went through a lot of changes and evolutions, we experimented with different ideas, different people got involved… Then finally they said, “Okay, we want you to try, but we want you to have one or two more people with you. We want other people because we don’t want the show to be so serious.” For me, it was very important that the show be respectful because we love these artists, but VH1 didn’t want it to be a very serious talk show; they wanted it to be a little more laid-back. And Don and Jim were friends of mine, and they were fans of my radio show. I’d been doing a metal radio show for 30 years in the New York and New Jersey area, and I still do two radio shows a week here in the United States, and my whole background has been in radio. But Don and Jim’s repertoire is stand-up; they’re comedians, but they also really like rock and metal, so they frequently visited my show. They were fans of the radio show, so they often visited the show and participated when they could. And we had a lot of fun on the radio. So when VH1 said, “We need other guys,” I said, “Well, I know exactly who to call, because they would be perfect in terms of lightening the atmosphere, and, most importantly, they truly know and love music.” So when I brought them in, I introduced them to the network, and we recorded a pilot, a test episode, everyone immediately noticed the chemistry. But it’s funny, because people don’t know this story, they think someone put this team together. And it was me who put this team together, because they were friends of mine and we had done radio together in the past, what many people don’t know, as I said before, is that I had already been working for VH1 for six years before I started doing That Metal Show. So some things were already in the works, and That Metal Show is the result of me finally having the opportunity to do a show the way I always wanted to do it.
W (DD): Wikimetal is currently the number one hard rock and heavy metal podcast in Brazil, and we also have many plans for the future to start other things, and obviously, we really admire everything you've done in the United States with "That Metal Show" and the other projects you have. And one of the things we really admire about "That Metal Show" is the mix of different worlds: you have very well-known heroes on the show, like Lars, Lemmy, and Mustaine, and you mix them with other artists who probably wouldn't have the opportunity to appear on a TV show. What is the importance of this for the metal scene?
ET: Well, it's very important, again, the show is produced here in the United States by a channel called VH1 Classic, which is a different channel from VH1, and it's geared more towards classic artists and bands. You said you're watching the sixth season in Brazil, here in the United States, we're finishing the tenth season, so you're a little behind in terms of the shows you're watching. And as you'll notice, the show progresses, it changes, we have different segments… At the beginning of the show, Don and Jim, and sometimes I too, would go out on the street, do some things in clubs, jokes – all that's over now, now we're spending more time with the artists. In the beginning, the show was only half an hour, now it's an hour. We're finally getting artists to perform on the show, in the new episodes – I don't know if you've seen those in Brazil yet, but they're coming. So we've changed and evolved a bit with the guests we've had. Some guests are returning; we're getting people who have been on the show before because time has passed, and they have new stories to tell, new things have happened. And there are also some guests we're trying to get that we haven't been able to yet, whether because of commitments, schedules, or simply because they don't want to come on the show. You know, many artists don't like to participate in a TV show like ours, with people who really know their careers. They want to participate in TV shows where nobody will pressure them, where they can simply promote their current work and leave. We don't do that, obviously; we talk about the good and the bad, and we're proud of that. So that's really a big key and a big part of the show, and while most of our guests are traditional, we do have some new artists, we've had Marilyn Manson, we've had Corey Taylor from Slipknot, so we're starting with that, and we're also starting to get important people from rock – people you wouldn't immediately think of when you talk about heavy metal, but who were certainly influences, people like Paul Rogers and others. So we have to evolve, we have to grow, and that's truly the key to the show's success – to keep moving forward, to make sure we're a rock and metal show aimed at a large audience. I understand, and I hear from the fans, you know, that they want to see things like
Death metal on the show, progressive metal bands, power metal bands, or European bands. But we can't get them right now; we do few shows a year, our recording period is short, and the network is always trying to get the most recognized artists possible. And I understand that there are many other metal styles and other artists out there, but the TV network has to approve all the guests, and we have a target audience for whom the show works. And that's how we look for our guests.
W (NM): I'm going to ask you to choose another song, Eddie, we know you're a big UFO fan. Could you choose a UFO song so we can listen to it on the show now?
ET: Sure, one of my favorite songs is a UFO song, which is… I really like the live version of “Strangers in the Night” called “Love to Love,” and I love that song because it’s about seven minutes of pure perfection, and it’s melodic, it’s heavy at times, it has brilliant vocals and guitars. I read a lot about the re-release of UFO’s “Strangers in the Night.” So-and-so Harris from Iron Maiden is a huge UFO fan, and he wrote that every time he hears “Love to Love,” he gets goosebumps, the hairs on his arms stand on end, and when he wrote that, I immediately understood what he meant because I also have that feeling, more than 30 years after it was recorded, so “Love to Love” is my favorite.
W (DD): Excellent, Eddie. I get goosebumps when I hear the final part of "For Those About To Rock," anyway… Of all the metal heroes you've ever interviewed, who was the person you felt like a kid on Christmas morning with? The one you thought, "I can't believe I'm talking to this guy"?
ET: Actually, this just happened, and it's interesting that you mentioned UFO, because here in the United States, the new show that's airing now is an episode we did with Michael Schenker. And you know, I'm the one who schedules many of the guests for "That Metal Show," and my work behind the scenes is to make sure we get these guests, because I know them and have worked with many of them. So that's a big part of my job, and one of the challenges is getting guests for the show who don't live in the United States. Because we have little time to record the shows, so it's difficult to get guests who don't live in the United States to come to our studio. So recently we had Michael Schenker, and I've interviewed Michael a few times, but he's much better now than he's been in the last five years, because he's sober, he's healthy, he's happy. And we had him for this season that people are watching here in the United States, playing guitar twice and also talking as an interviewee. And in one of the episodes he gave me one of his “Flying Vs,” and that was truly an unbelievable, emotional moment for me because I’m a huge UFO and Michael fan, I couldn’t believe it… It took me back to when I was a kid with UFO posters on my walls, it took me back to all those memories, and, you know, here I am, in my forties, on television, doing my TV show, and one of my heroes is giving me his guitar, singing, talking to me, and thanking me for supporting his music. It was very surreal. I’ve become friends with many of the interviewees over the years. I’ve interviewed them many times, and some off-air. But a guy like Michael, who lives in the UK and doesn’t come here often, and whom I’ve only met a few times, was very powerful for me.
W (NM): Hey Eddie, is there anyone you haven't interviewed yet that you wish you had interviewed?
ET: You know, over the years, I've really interviewed everyone I wanted to, to be honest. We interviewed Axl Rose twice, he came on my radio show and I interviewed him on TV last year. There are a large number that I've been lucky enough to meet and interview. I'd say the guy I'd most like to interview right now, but who isn't giving interviews, is Eddie Van Halen. I'd love to interview him, I'd love to have him on "That Metal Show," but for now he's only done one interview for this new album and this new tour. But I did interview Eddie briefly, about ten years ago. The only guy I've never interviewed who's still alive is probably Jimmy Page.
W (NM): Well, we really hope you do that, so we can watch.
ET: Me too. That's one of the things I have to explain to people, that all the artists who haven't been to the show yet, and that people really want to see, we want to see them too.
W (NM): Yes, we understand completely.
I'm so happy to be here with you all, I appreciate all the support from the fans in Brazil, it's great to hear from you there.”
Wikimetal (Daniel Dystyler): Eddie, I don't know if all Brazilian headbangers have had the opportunity to hear directly from you, what do you think of the Rock N' Roll Hall Of Fame? Would you mind explaining why it's so unfair, and why so many bands suffer injustice and aren't included?
Eddie Trunk: I wish I could give you an answer. I made a big part of this… I don't know the word, but it was a big campaign of mine. I exposed this in the United States on radio and TV as much as possible. People ask me why I talk about it so much, and I do it for one reason only: because it's a way to get exposure. I think people don't realize how disrespectful this is to hard rock fans. I try to get to the bottom of it, but the only thing I can say is that it's not something that's voted on by the fans. The fans don't have a vote or a voice whatsoever. It's 100% controlled by secret groups of former record label owners, writers, and musicians, who, I think, are the same kind of people who made fun of me when I was little for liking these bands. They don't take the music seriously, they don't take the bands seriously. And I think that's completely wrong and disrespectful, so the reason I talk so much about it is because it's important for people to know who they've ignored. Alice Cooper only got into the Hall of Fame last year; they ignored him for 15 years. And he said, when he got in, that all his friends couldn't believe he wasn't already in it; they assumed he already was. So that's why I talk so much about it, because people need to know the truth about what goes on there. And until they bring new people onto the voting committee, unfortunately, that's not going to change… To think that there's something called the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame, that Kiss, Deep Purple, and Rush, to name a few, were ignored for over a decade, is very hard to believe. So I'm going to keep bothering them, so maybe one day that will change.
W (Nando Machado): You're right, we support your campaign. Anyway, changing the subject, we've interviewed some rock legends, some of our rock 'n' roll heroes, on the show in the last year and a half. And we always ask people, when they first encountered this figure, about Ronnie James Dio. We asked Ian Gillan, Sam Dunn, Geoff Tate… Could you share a memory you have of Ronnie, because we think he's so representative, and such a special person. Do you have any memories you could share with our listeners?
ET: Many, many… Ronnie was a very dear friend, I had the honor of organizing his funeral when he passed away in Los Angeles. Wendy asked me if I would do it, and I did, and it was an honor… We recently had a dinner in his name, which I also hosted, where I received an award for Ronnie's charity organization, which was another great honor. Ronnie and I were very close, Wendy said he didn't like giving interviews, but he loved doing them with me, and we did many on TV and radio during the years when he was alive. To me, it doesn't even seem like he's gone, because… It seems like he's on a big tour, and I think about him and miss him all the time, I was incredibly lucky to have him on “That Metal Show” a few times. One of the things I can say about Ronnie James Dio is that he was a brilliant musician, as everyone knows, and one of the greatest singers of all time. But personally, if you were lucky enough to know him, he was an even better person. He was the nicest man, he cared so much about his fans, he was so genuine… People were surprised because I would go somewhere with him, and introduce him to people, and when I met him again months later, or a year later, Ronnie would remember their names, and greet them, he was extremely courteous and never put himself above anyone. And he influenced me a lot in that respect. As my career grew and more people knew who I was and what I did on radio and TV, and I became more popular, obviously not as popular as Ronnie James Dio, but as my career grew and more people started approaching me, interviewing me, taking pictures, asking for my autograph – many people have told me “you’re very good at handling this, you’re always so kind to your fans”. And I say all the time that I learned that from the man who was the best – and that was Ronnie James Dio. That was what, besides his music, impressed me so much – how kind and wonderful a man he was. And he taught me a lot about that, and we had some really good times together. One of the best memories is from 2006 when he came back with Sabbath. I was in England, and he went there to record the first three new songs for the “Greatest Hits” package, and we stayed at the same hotel, staying up late drinking, laughing, telling stories over dinner. And I will never forget those memories; I am very grateful to have experienced them. But the best thing I can say to people is: everything he was good at as a musician, he was even better at as a person.
W (DD): Excellent, Eddie, thank you so much for sharing this. Could you choose a song that you wish you had written? One that you would be very proud to have created, so we can hear it on the show now?
ET: Well, you guys already played “Love to Love”… So I couldn’t choose that one again. I’d say, in terms of a metal song, maybe “Hallowed Be Thy Name” by Iron Maiden, which is an epic, classic song. I think that song evokes an incredible image… I like epic songs that tell a story, so maybe “Hallowed Be Thy Name”.
And I ask that everyone support Wikimetal and listen, because that's what we have to do, everyone coming together as a community to support this incredible music.”
W (DD): Could you talk about your projects besides "That Metal Show," your radio programs, the book, and how fans can get in touch with you?
ET: Yes, I do two radio shows a week here in the United States. One is on a satellite radio station, which I don't know if it's accessible outside the country, and the other is on regular radio here in the United States, it airs on about 20 stations, and also on the internet. But again, I know that… I get emails from frustrated people who often can't access this content on computers outside the United States. And I have nothing to do with that, I wish that didn't happen, but I have no control over it, it has to do with internet laws and the country you're in. But for those who can access these radio shows, they air twice a week: on Mondays and Fridays. My website is eddietrunk.com, and I try to update it whenever I can; there's a section on it called "The Trunk Report," which is a small blog that I post from time to time, when I have time. I wrote my first book a year ago, called “Eddie Trunk's Essential Hard Rock and Heavy Metal,” and it was very successful here in the United States and in other parts of the world as well. You asked me about Dio; there's a large part of the book dedicated to Ronnie. I write about my experiences with Ronnie and also about his funeral. So there are many personal stories and many cool photos in the book as well. The book has everything from Bon Jovi to Slayer, and that's always been what I've enjoyed; I love those two worlds. Everything and everything in between, so the book is there, and I'm going to start a second volume of it, probably at the end of this year, which will be released next year – part two – which will have more bands, and I will also dedicate entire chapters to the bands from the end of the book – there are about 25 bands at the end of the book that I only mention because there wasn't more space. So the next book will have entire chapters about those bands. And it should be released next year; I'll start working on it next month, probably. The best way for people to contact me and stay updated on what's happening is by going to eddietrunk.com; there's a link there where you can send emails. And also through Twitter. I've become very active on Twitter – I'm not very good with computers and things like that, but Twitter has become very easy for me because I can access it from my phone, it's very fast, and I can post photos and updates the second something happens. My Twitter handle is @eddietrunk, and the best thing I can tell anyone is to follow and check my Twitter; I update it many times a day, depending on what's going on.
W (NM): Eddie, speaking of Brazilian heavy metal, do you know any Brazilian heavy metal bands? We're in contact with most Brazilian heavy metal bands, we'd be happy to send you a package with the best ones, but what do you know about heavy metal in Brazil?
ET: Not much, obviously I know the history of Sepultura, the band that came from there and probably had the biggest impact here in the United States, but I honestly don't know much about the scene in Brazil. Often, when I interview people from other parts of the world, they ask me about the bands and music from their countries. And I always say the same thing: I'm very happy to accept these things, but it's very difficult for me because I spend so much time trying to promote and help bands here in the United States to survive, and I say this not because I only care about the United States, but because there are many bands here, and the programs I do are all produced for the United States – this is where they are produced and this is what they are made for, and then, obviously, they go to other countries. I have nothing to do with where or if the show airs in other countries, so when I find out that the show airs in Brazil or Venezuela or anywhere else, I'm very happy, but I never find out unless the fans tell me it's airing, because that's something the network controls. So it's difficult for me, because I have a lot of work to do here, with the shows I do and the bands I work with here in the United States, which makes it hard for me to find the time to listen, and even harder to find opportunities for these bands, because these shows are produced for the United States, and as I said before, the network wants to bring in the most well-known bands possible. So it's difficult, but I'm aware of some things people tell me, and I know the scene there is great. I've heard for a long time that Brazilians are phenomenal metal fans, and that's why I said, when we started talking, that I hope to visit the country someday, I would love to get to know it.
W (DD): We always ask our guest, who is usually a musician, to give advice to a young kid who's thinking about forming a band or something like that. But in your case, we'd like to do something different: could you give us some advice, since we're also trying to raise the flag of metal as much as possible with Wikimetal?
ET: Well, I think the best advice I can give anyone is: be true to what you believe in. Don't try to change… It's always good to accept constructive criticism, as it's called, if someone can help with ideas, you know, be open to hearing what other people have to say. But, I believe, it's important to stay true to yourself and what you believe in. When I started doing radio, when I was young, right after high school, they told me: you don't have the right voice for radio, you can't do radio, nobody cares about the music you want to play and talk about. And I never changed, I never gave up, it only made me try harder. So I think you should do what you believe in and love, and if it's good quality and genuine, people will recognize it, if people truly care. And I was consistent during the 90s, when that kind of music wasn't so popular and was being mocked… I never changed, I did what I did and stayed true to it. As I said before, I like metal and I like hard rock. And I discovered, as a child, that many times people pretended not to like a certain type of music because they thought it would harm their image if they admitted it, and then, in the privacy of their rooms, they enjoyed those songs. And I always hated that. I think there's nothing wrong with liking a variety of music; you shouldn't be ashamed to admit it. Liking hard rock bands doesn't make you any less metal. So I've always preached this, from the beginning, that in the end, what matters is your opinion, and sometimes people will agree, sometimes they won't, but it's important to stay true to what you believe in and love, and keep your ears open, allow people to have their opinions too. I think that's important as well. Many times I play bands that I like and other people don't, and I also play bands that I don't like so much, but that my audience wants to hear. I'm a big fan of Marilyn Manson. Most of my audience, to be honest, doesn't like Marilyn Manson, so my radio audience doesn't like it when he plays, but I do. I defend the fans and respect their opinions, and vice versa. So it's important that you have good communication with your audience, as honest and real as possible. I've never had a fake voice, a fake name, I've never tried to be something I wasn't, and I've always avoided the clichés of this type of music. You know, people think you have to dress and act in a specific way, and I've never cared about that. I think you can express yourself however you want, however you feel like it. People sometimes tell me, when they see me for the first time, "Oh, you don't look much like a heavy metal guy, you don't have the features, your hair isn't long, you don't have tattoos"... That's okay, that's not how I want to project myself – that would be false for me, because I've never felt that way. For people who like it, that's fine, the point is that you should have the freedom to do what you want… There are thousands of types of heavy metal fans in the world, and I think one of the things that denigrates and marginalizes this type of music is people creating these stereotypes – that only people who dress and act in a specific way like heavy metal. And that's not true, and that's why I've always encouraged people to be themselves, have fun, and be true to what they love.
W (NM): Great, Eddie. In all our shows, we choose a question to ask our fans, and whoever gets it right wins a prize, it could be a CD or DVD, a book, or something like that. Can you choose the question our listeners should get right?
ET: Motley Crew's first album
W (NM): That's great, thanks Eddie.
W (DD): Eddie, I'd like to thank you for your time and patience. You were a great presence on our show, and we're very honored to have you here because of everything you've done for metal all these years. You were excellent. I ask that you leave one last message for all the Wikimetal fans who are listening.
ET: Of course, absolutely. It was great to be here at Wikimetal, talking about metal with everyone. I thank everyone who listened, and thank you so much for having me. And I ask that everyone support Wikimetal and listen, because that's what we have to do, everyone coming together as a community to support this incredible music, and spread the music, the information… Whether it's through my show, “That Metal Show”, my radio programs, or Wikimetal, everyone who is doing this for the right reasons, to help the bands and promote this music: that's what we have to do. So thank you for having me, and I wish you all the luck in the world with Wikimetal.
I like metal and hard rock. And I discovered this as a child, but often people pretended they didn't like a certain type of music because they thought it would damage their image
W (NM): Thank you very much, Eddie, once again, and please count on us for everything you do, all your projects, you can count on our support. And we ask our listeners to watch, every Tuesday at 10 pm on VH1, the best TV show in the world, called “That Metal Show”. Thank you very much, Eddie Trunk!
ET: Guys, thank you so much for having me, and if you have a link to this, please send it to me, I'd be happy to post it so that people here in the United States can listen too. Once again, thank you for having me, and if I ever come to Brazil, I'll look you up; I hope to go there someday.
W (DD): Excellent, thank you very much Eddie. Bye!
ET: Okay, bye!
