My black Explorer with the wristband came from the Metal scene. That's Freudian and Hetfieldian.”
Wikimetal (Daniel Dystyler) – Our program today is a really cool one for those who enjoy interviews! We've already interviewed Felipe Machado, the guys from Korzus, Ricardo Vignini, and Zé Helder, which was great, and now we have another interviewee, an illustrious figure, a well-known figure in both the national Metal scene and even more so in the national Pop/Rock scene, in fact, one of the most well-known musicians in the country, isn't that right, Rafinha?
Wikimetal (Rafael Masini) – Yes, that's it, Nando is having the pleasure of premiering this episode alongside a great guitarist, a great friend of ours, a spectacular guy as a figure, as an authority on Brazilian guitar: Yves Passarell.
Everyone – Yay!
Yves Passarell – It's a good thing I'm only among friends.
WM (DD) – Welcome to Wikimetal.
YP – Thank you, man, it's such a joy to be here with you all. Yeah, I've known all three of you since I was a kid.
WM (DD) – We're going to talk a lot about things from the past, and also a lot of questions that we've prepared for you; we also want to know a little about the present, right?
YP – Sure.
WM (DD) – …about his life in Capital, but we also want to talk about the old Heavy Metal stuff.
YP – Metal, metal is still alive, I continue to listen to a lot of Heavy Metal.
WM (DD) – That's what I was going to ask you: do you still listen a lot?
YP – I listen, I listen a lot. There are some bands that I can't let go of, the usual ones: Metallica, Iron Maiden. The other day I was listening to the first Killers album…
WM (DD) – They're amazing, aren't they?
YP – They're amazing, especially The Number…
WM (DD) – By the way, guys, hold on tight because the next episode will be a countdown to the Iron Maiden show, we're going to do an entire episode just about the upcoming concert.
WM (NM) – Exactly.
YP – Nandão already knows this very well.
WM (NM) – Yeah, everyone here has been to several Iron Maiden shows. How many Iron Maiden shows have you been to, Yves?
YP – I actually went to one.
WM (NM) – Seriously?
YP – Seriously. That's the craziest part, because in the others…
WM (DD) – You went on the Fear of the Dark tour at Parque Antártica with me.
YP – No, then I went in two.
WM (NM) – And then you'll remember the third one…
YP – In that last one, it was really…
WM (NM) – At Interlagos.
YP – Yes.
WM (DD) – Mud on the knee.
YP – I just got back from a trip, I went straight from Guarulhos to the show.
WM (DD) – That's cool. Since you mentioned the new thing about still listening to old bands, you know that on Wikimetal we play music along with the interview, so throughout the program we'll play some songs. The first song is related to what you said, I want you to choose a song that's like this: when you're on your iPod, with all those songs mixed together, on shuffle, on random, a song comes on that you can't help but headbang to, you think 'I can't stop moving to this song', what song is that?
YP – Well, a song that I always stop listening to when it's on my iPod is Killers by Iron Maiden.
WM (DD) – Killers by Iron Maiden is awesome.
WM (RM) – Others.
YP – He started out as a blockbuster, so, damn, I always listen to it, I think that album is special, funny, it's Paul Di'Anno's last album, he's not so…
WM (RM) – Famous.
YP – Famous, even the first one, which I think is pretty good, has the classics…
WM (NM) – Prowler, Remember Tomorrow, Running Free .
YP – Those guitar things, Running Free , but he got a little lost in the middle of it all…
WM (DD) – He was boxed in between the first one and The Number.
YP – But it's a great album, it has Murders in the Rue Morgue …
WM (NM) – Wrathchild , it starts with Wrathchild , no, no, The Ides of March .
WM (DD) – Starts with and then Wrathchild .
YP – Wow, that's great.
WM (RM) – Drifter .
WM (NM) – Innocent Exile .
YP – Wow, you bet.
WM (DD) – Announces the song that…
YP – Killers !
WM (DD) – Let's listen to Killers .
WM (NM) – We just finished listening to Killers , from Iron Maiden's second album, a total Heavy Metal classic, and we're here with Yves Passarell. Which guitarist inspired you to pursue this profession?
YP – I used to listen to Queen, then Brian May, and then I started listening to AC/DC and Iron Maiden, all together, like that, so…
WM (DD) – Angus.
YP – Angus, but Dave Murray… I used to go to 25 de Março to buy blue pants. So Dave Murray, Angus…
WM (NM) – But he already mentioned a trio of aces: Brian May, Angus Young, and Dave Murray, man.
WM (DD) – Is there anything else?
YP – Yeah, those three are good. But of course there are other guitarists, then you get to know the guitar, later on, Hendrix, then the guys from Metallica, Kirk Hammett, a whole bunch. This trio for me is the one that…
WM (DD) – With Brian, Angus, and Dave, you really don't need anything else. Cool. Since you mentioned that time you went to 25 de Março to buy pants, I wanted to ask you something: on one of those trips downtown you met a guy named Celso Barbieri and you talked to him, right?
YP – I talked to them.
WM (DD) – How did that story go?
YP – It was crazy, because we had a demo, right?
WM (NM) – That first classic Viper demo. Sensational.
YP – “The Killera Sword”. And then there's Celso Barbieri, who has lived in London for over 20 years, a long time ago, 85, 86.
WM (NM) – 26 years old.
YP – Yeah, 26 years old, I'm old. And Celso was already older, so he must be, my…
WM (NM) – Dead.
YP – No, no, I know he's alive, I send him my regards.
WM (DD) – He has a cool blog.
WM (NM) – I'll send him the link to listen to Wikimetal and the Yves interview.
WM (DD) – He is even historic in the history of Heavy Metal in Brazil.
YP – No, he was the one who started the Heavy Metal scene in São Paulo, at least as far as I remember. He and Beto Peninha. He was the one who organized the Metal festivals at Praça do Rock, in Aclimação.
WM (DD) – And he also held political rallies…
YP – He did, he was also involved in politics.
WM (NM) – He always had some Heavy Metal bands playing at the rallies.
YP – Always, and it was during that time when he was doing rallies and shows, he did the Lira Paulistana festival, which was his first show in '85. But before that, since I had already seen him in Aclimação doing those shows at Praça do Rock, playing Salário Mínimo, the bands of the time, Centúrias if I'm not mistaken, I saw him one day at Largo do Arouche. I was there with Felipe, my brother, there was a bookstore, I saw him passing by, and I thought, 'Should I talk to him or not?', and I said, 'I'll talk to him,' just kid stuff.
WM (DD) – Opportunity knocks only once.
YP – Yeah, I said, 'Hey, I have a band, I wanted to know how to get a gig,' he said, 'Cool, whatever, leave the press release at such and such a place,' and I said, 'Press release? What's a press release?' Well, and then later I learned what a press release was, the mini-story of the band. And then he saw the names, we made up the names.
WM (DD) – You were Dan.
YP – I was Dan.
WM (DD) – You were my namesake.
YP – I was your namesake.
WM (DD) – Dan Passarell.
YP – Yes, it was Dan Passarell.
WM (DD) – Felipe?
WM (NM) – Black Riff.
YP – Black Riff. Pit continued Pit.
WM (DD) – He was the only one who kept Andy McDye.
YP – Andy McDye. And there was Andrew Matthews, who was André Matos. And we sent the press release with those names, and he said, 'Damn, what the hell is this?'
WM (RM) – Burn the film.
YP – Yeah, but he thought it was interesting, and since we were starting this English-language metal scene here, there was a band called Karisma that sang in English, but Celso Barbieri was the first guy who invited us to do a show at Lira Paulistana. So I owe it to him, I think we all who are here…
WM (DD) – We owe him a little something.
YP – Me, personally, very much so, because I'm still playing. It started there with my first show, and then there was the people's show, right?
WM (NM) – This one's on the Viper DVD.
YP – Exactly, it's on the DVD.
WM (NM) – Great Valder.
YP – Great Valder, helping to ignite Heavy Metal. But Celso was responsible, and Beto Peninha, who was a guy who had a radio show at the time.
I said, 'I have a band, I wanted to know how to get a gig.' He said, 'Cool, leave the press release at such and such a place.' Then I said, 'Press release? What's a press release?!'
WM (DD) – Okay. Let me ask you a question I asked Felipe Machado, the same question I asked him: today, with the experience you have, with everything you've lived through and everything else, looking back, if you could go back in time, 25 years ago, with all your experience, how much would you do differently?
YP – I think the album in Portuguese was a journey, but we were already at that end, the band was already kind of…
WM (DD) – I didn't really know what to do.
YP – … what to do, it was kind of over and we all said "fuck it" and went ahead, let's make a Portuguese Pop Rock album, which had nothing to do with the band's history. That's how it was, I think we had a good start, I think with the album Coma Rage we started to turn a little…
WM (NM) – But Coma Rage is an album that I really like.
YP – No, it's a great album and hey, we're going to record in Los Angeles for a month, that's fine.
WM (NM) – For everyone it's an excellent album, but it's not a Heavy Metal album.
YP – It's not metal. It's a Mangueira [a type of Brazilian samba band], a trip, nothing against Mangueira. Everything was a trip on this album, I don't think it's bad, I think the songs are good, Viper's Heavy Metal career…
WM (DD) – Ended in Coma Rage.
YP – It ended with Coma Rage. So I think from beginning to end, everything was the way it was supposed to be. I would maybe choose Spreading Soul to be one of the singles from that time…
WM (DD) – Evolution.
YP – …Evolution. And of course it's a very difficult market, right? In Heavy Metal, you depended a lot on record labels, Andre left the band, Evolution was a really successful album, so those are three albums that I think marked the beginning of melodic metal in Brazil. “Soldiers”, “Theatre” and “Evolution”. Classic Evolution, my brother singing, different, the sound already a bit…
WM (DD) – Since you're talking about those albums from Viper's golden era, let's call them that, choose a song for us to listen to, what song do you want to hear now?
YP – Okay, let's listen to Soldiers of Sunrise .
WM (RM) – Excellent choice.
WM (DD) – We listened to Knights and now, to complement it, another masterpiece from the first album, Soldiers, is going very well.
WM (RM) – That live performance was breathtaking.
YP – I only remember Andre 'Soldiers of, soldiers of'.
WM (RM) – 'Soldiers of' and the 'Sunrise' gang.
WM (DD) – That's great, good.
YP – Go with Soldiers , then.
WM (DD) – Let’s go Soldiers .
WM (DD) – Well, that one was Soldiers of Sunrise from Viper's first album, it's also called "Soldiers of Sunrise," Yves' choice. Very, very good, right?
WM (RM) – Very good, we're remembering several stories…
WM (DD) – From the old days.
YP – It sounds like when an old person tells a story.
WM (RM) – … and the guys from Korzus remembered a trip they took with us to Rio, you remember that, right?
YP – I remember, of course.
WM (RM) – We played football with the guys from the bands in Rio who also welcomed us into their homes, since there were no hotels.
YP – We traveled a lot with Korzus, which is a band, a great band, and still is today.
WM (DD) – Still carries the Metal flag today, they're in Europe.
YP – We're in Europe now. I think we took some amazing trips, we even went to Rio together.
WM (DD) – Do you remember anything funny from that trip?
YP – We stayed at some people's houses, so there were the Taurus guys, the…
WM (NM) – Metralion, perhaps, right?
YP – Metralion, and then the guys were starving and then, man, they raided the guys' fridge, took chicken, and the guy got pissed. I don't know who it was in Rio that…
WM (RM) – André Smirnoff.
YP – Yeah, I think it was at his house, he went to receive…
WM (NM) – Totally crazy, right? Imagine the guy's mother, you arrive…
YP – A bunch of long-haired people show up.
WM (NM) – 'Mom, I brought twenty guys here to do a Heavy Metal show', long-haired.
YP – No, once Viper came to play in Recife and we stayed at Paulo André's house, who later became the manager of…
WM (NM) – Chico Science, organizer of Abril pro Rock.
YP – Abril pro Rock, but before, people called it Recife Festival. Well, a bunch of long-haired guys showed up at the house, his mom, man, wanted to kill them, she put the four guys to sleep there and she was like, 'Am I going to have to cook for everyone here?'
WM (NM) – Now tell me something, I…
YP – But I remember that trip – just going back to the one in Rio – when André was stopped by the police and they took his watch.
WM (NM) – Did they steal his watch?
WM (DD) – A VW Beetle, like, drove up onto the sidewalk, we were walking on the sidewalk, the guys drove up onto the sidewalk, hands on their heads, everyone, and stole André's watch.
WM (NM) – Now tell me something, you guys played in Piauí around that time, how did you get there?
YP – So, that's a good story. We went to play in Piauí…
WM (NM) – In Piauí, right there, right there in Piauí.
YP – … with Ivan, Vodu, and the great band of that time, Dorsal Atlântica, which was the first, one of the first, right? They have a great album…
WM (NM) – Before the End.
YP – Before the End. And then the guy there said, 'look, you can come by bus, the return trip is guaranteed by plane'. And we believed him.
WM (RM) – This sentence already sounds like a lie.
WM (DD) – If that were true, it would already be bad.
YP – It was already bad, but we were in that Metal spirit…
WM (NM) – How many hours of travel, Yves?
YP – Fifty-nine, I don't know. The bus broke down…
WM (NM) – Nothing more Metal than this.
YP – Nothing more metal. Us and Vodu, and we arrived at the bus station in Teresina, we played before in a city in Bahia, Feira de Santana, then we went to Teresina, there were seven people, eight… Nine, everyone in two cars, everyone crammed in, then he stopped at a supermarket, I didn't understand… I said 'huh?'. Then he came with a bunch of milk, Nesquik, cookies, I said, “no!”. It wasn't a hotel, we were going to stay at a farm. One of those things you do on an adventure.
WM (NM) – What is the production setup like, the amplifiers in Teresina – was the show in Teresina?
YP – No, so, that's the thing, there was a structure at the festival, but then, of course, we did a show, and after the show, the producer said, 'I have bad news.'
WM (DD) – That story about the plane…
YP – That whole idea of everyone flying back isn't going to work.
WM (DD) – That story about the plane crashing.
YP – It fell through, huh. So what do you mean? “No, I only got three” and there were seven people.
WM (NM) – And the war, how was the war decided to determine who would go?
YP – It was luck, some people from Voodoo were involved.
WM (NM) – Oh, all the bands from the festival? Was it from the festival?
WM (RM) – Did you return by plane?
YP – Yeah, I flew back, I was lucky. I swear.
WM (NM) – How did that decision come about, tell us about it.
YP – It was luck.
WM (NM) – But little stick…
YP – Palitinho, I don't remember, two or one. Man, it was a crazy trip, but it was fun, just getting out of São Paulo, Viper's first show outside of São Paulo was in Atibaia.
Celso Barbieri was the first guy who invited us to do a show at Lira Paulistana. So I think all of us who are here owe him a little something.”
WM (NM) – At the strawberry festival?
YP – Strawberry Festival, September 7th, a public holiday.
WM (NM) – With the virus? I was at that show.
WM (RM) – From SP Metal.
YP – Virus, which was a band I still listen to today.
WM (RM) – To “Matthew Hopkins”.
YP – “Matthew Hopkins”, I remember this one by heart: “Anyone accused of having a pact with the
devil was then persecuted and hunted down and tortured and murdered” .
WM (RM) – “With a blind hatred that he possessed within himself, he tried to end…”
YP – And here it goes.
WM (NM) – I remember that the bassist from Virus had a bass just like Steve Harris's, do you remember that? Mirrored.
WM (RM) – I think Pit played once at Black Jack with that borrowed bass.
YP – Black Jack is another legendary place.
WM (DD) – And Garça?
YP – Garça was also an experience of that sort. When you start out, you play everywhere and everyone stayed in the same room, in a hotel… The hotel was a brothel.
WM (NM) – Who, the roadies?
WM (DD) – There were some girls who sold encyclopedias, right?
YP – Yeah, they sold encyclopedias. And what was the deal? The deal for eating was at a bakery that he already had a sponsorship deal with, so lunch and dinner were at the bakery.
WM (DD) – It was a kind of bakery at a gas station, you know?
YP – It was awful, do you remember, Daniel?
WM (NM) – Did Daniel go there?
WM (DD) – I went, I was there. The funniest thing was that the guy who took us there, we ate at that crappy bakery every day, at the gas station, and then in the middle of lunch the guy said, 'the Korzus guys don't want to come, they don't know what they're missing'.
YP – That's the one that stuck, the phrase, and then I imagined the guys from Korzus, and wow, they even came up with that phrase.
YP – He said, 'You don't know what you're missing.'
WM (DD) – And in Paraná we drank beer all afternoon, then we went to the interview, the show was
at night, then around 6 pm there was a radio interview, so we went there and we were really drunk, then we got there and you said, you introduced me and said 'this guy here is the saxophonist from Viper'.
YP – No, then, now I remember. We were drunk.
WM (DD) – “What are your influences?”, he asked me, and I said it was John Barnes, the left winger from England.
YP – Oh, that's too much, man.
WM (NM) – I didn't remember that story.
YP – This beginning, for any band, is kind of… You just keep going, you want to play, you want to play outside of São Paulo.
WM (NM) – But it's the time you remember most and the most fun to remember.
YP – Yeah, then you start calling your friends to help you out, like, let's do a show, and then it turns into a party. The show in Rio, the show we were going to do in Santos.
WM (NM) – I'd say that Viper's show has always been a ballad, right?
YP – It always has been.
WM (NM) – Because the team was always just friends, only the closest friends.
YP – Yeah, no, it was just a buddy thing, and it turned into a party.
WM (RM) – Yves, listen, so we can play this song now, taking all these wonderful Heavy Metal songs out there, what song would Yves Passarell have liked to have composed?
YP – Sabbath Bloody Sabbath .
WM (RM) – Sabbath Bloody Sabbath , shall we listen?
WM (DD) – Very cool. Come on, let's listen.
WM (RM) – So announce it then.
YP – There's even Bossa Nova in the middle of the song.
WM (RM) – Announce it, Yves.
YP – Sabbath Bloody Sabbath .
WM (NM) – Black Sabbath!
WM (RM) – Well, after all that great music, Yves, one question I'd like to know: you wrote a book.
YP – Two.
WM (RM) – Well, I only read one, “On the Road”.
YP – No, there's "Season on the Road" and one called "The Last Perfect Days," which is fiction, but I'm not a writer.
WM (RM) – No, I haven't read that one.
YP – “Season on the Road” is about Viper, about the beginning, it’s about…
WM (DD) – You even mention a show in Ludwigsburg, don't you?
YP – Speak.
WM (RM) – Is that book still available for people to find?
YP – Yes, it was published by a publisher from Rio called Gryphus, I think you should be able to find it.
WM (RM) – That's really cool, because it talks a lot about Viper. And do you still want to write or do you just not have time, how does that work?
YP – I have the desire, I wrote this second one, which is already fiction.
WM (DD) – I read the first fiction book, I thought it was great, I thought it was really cool.
YP – Did you like it? Wow, cool.
WM (RM) – I haven't read that.
YP – Yeah, I have several at home.
WM (DD) – I'm selling it really cheap.
WM (NM) – You could give one away to raffle off at…
YP – It got stuck, you understand?
WM (RM) – I want one too, okay?
WM (NM) – Are there some stories you don't tell there, Yves? Censored, perhaps, right?
YP – Yeah, I think so, there are things we leave there.
WM (DD) – For a second edition, a continuation.
YP – Yeah, I've thought about that. But there are a lot of cool stories there.
WM (NM) – Hey Yves, can I ask you a question?
YP – Sure.
WM (NM) – On the road with Capital Inicial, what interesting stories would you tell us?
YP – These are different phases, then.
WM (DD) – You must have a really crazy experience like that.
YP – No, I have a lot of stories to tell, well, anyone who's on the road usually does, right? So…
WM (DD) – What is your routine like, do you travel constantly?
YP – I travel constantly, and it's not just the shows; you have a lot of promotion to do, television, programs, to make things happen.
WM (NM) – Promotion?
YP – Promotion, you have to record in such a place, so you spend some time away, but it's really cool, there are a lot of Capital stories that could also make a book, but that's when the time comes… Dinho is telling the beginning of Capital's story, he's part of the beginning, but there are some really good stories to be told.
WM (DD) – Hey, listen up, since you mentioned Capital, I saw Capital's show the other day, and there are two things I wanted to ask you. One thing I wanted to tell the Wikimetal listeners is that Capital isn't exactly the kind of music heavy metal fans usually listen to, right? But I wanted to ask you something about that. In that show, the show opened with Nirvana, and then in the middle of the show, Dinho mentioned it was the anniversary of Bon Scott's death…
WM (RM) – Thirty-one years since death.
WM (DD) – …of death and paid tribute, played Highway to Hell ; at the end of the show, you play Led Zeppelin.
WM (RM) – Which drove the crowd wild.
WM (NM) – Has a strong heavy rock influence.
YP – Yes, it is.
WM (DD) – I wanted to ask, is this from Capital, is this a bit like Yves within Capital, how is that?
WM (DD) – So?
YP – Capital has several phases; they actually came from Aborto Elétrico, which was more punk.
WM (DD) – Which was with Renato Russo and the two brothers Flávio and Fê Lemos.
YP – Renato Russo. Yeah, then in the 80s it became a bit more Pop Rock, I got into it, of course I have, all my foundation came from Metal.
WM (NM) – Gave the band some weight.
YP – It would have a different weight, a different kind of feel. But what I see is that Dinho really likes this sound.
WM (RM) – Hard Rock, Heavy Metal.
YP – Yeah, Hard Rock, Heavy Metal like AC/DC, Led Zeppelin, AC/DC.
WM (NM) – Deep Purple.
YP – Deep Purple.
WM (DD) – He talked about the interview he wanted to do with Robert Plant.
YP – Yeah, Led Zeppelin, so we have that base in common, so I think from there, of course, everyone listens to a little more, I lean more towards Metal and of course at a rock show you end up, even though… it's a rock show.
WM (DD) – It has weight, it has distortion.
YP – It has weight, it has distortion, I use distortion a lot.
WM (RM) – And the wah-wah, also on the ground, animal.
YP – Straight wah-wah.
WM (DD) – And actually, that also caught my attention, I'm not going to say you became the owner of the band, but like, the show starts, and it's you alone on stage already doing those Tom Morello-ish effects.
YP – I ramble, right? I ramble well.
WM (RM) – There's something very Heavy Metal that I think, where you switch instruments, so you put in a black Explorer, two Strats, it's wonderful.
WM (DD) – That black Explorer is wonderful.
YP – No, the black Explorer with the wristband, that came from Metal. That's Freudian and Hetfieldian.
WM (DD) – Hetfield explains.
YP – Yeah, Hetfield explains. But there's a lot of influence, we played, Viper played, we opened for Motörhead, opened for Metallica, opened for Ramones, opened for a bunch of bands and that influenced us a bit, but Capital's sound has its own line that isn't, of course, Heavy Metal, it's Brazilian rock.
WM (DD) – But live it's much heavier, and when you're there, you're really representing Metal a bit. Let me ask you this: which Viper song did you find, or still find, the most challenging, the one that makes you say, "Damn, that's hard to play, I'm so cool that I played it, I'm so cool that I recorded it," and in a show you say, "Wow…"
WM (RM) – Yeah, look at the setlist and say, it's here.
YP – Theatre of Fate is one of those. I already talked about
Theatre of Fate that's messed up.
WM (DD) – Full of impact, full of weight.
YP – Yes, and I had to memorize the sound, memorize the thousand parts that were in the music, there were several times that…
"I think the album in Portuguese was a journey. But we were already at that end, the band kind of didn't know what to do anymore."
WM (NM) – But I remember clearly, I went to many Viper shows, the introduction to one of the greatest national Metal songs of all time was done by Yves Passarell, Living for the Night , it was Yves Passarell's guitar.
WM (RM) – A bunch of people were singing, there wasn't even room for Andre to sing.
YP – This one was also annoying to do at the beginning. There's a keyboard on the album, but there was also one at the live show…
WM (RM) – I couldn't make any mistakes there.
YP – Yeah, so now you remember correctly, Nando, that beginning annoyed me. No, it was kind of cool, but I didn't like it, then after a while you get the hang of it, this one I'll share with the guys.
WM (NM) – Then you take a break.
YP – That "tan tan tan" sound on the record, Andre played the keyboard and it sounded good, it was cool, but live we did it on guitar, so…
WM (RM) – It looked really cool.
WM (DD) – So, shall we listen to Living for the Night ?
YP – Living for the Night .
WM (RM) – That was Living for the Night .
WM (NM) – One of the greatest classics of Brazilian Heavy Metal of all time.
WM (DD) – Everyone knows this song, right?
WM (RM) – Everyone knows, with the participation of “The Night is Very Dark”, wonderful.
WM (DD) – Roy Rowlands.
WM (RM) – Live, Pit's bass part was a little longer.
YP – If I'm not mistaken, Andre still plays that song at his shows.
WM (RM) – Andre plays Moonlight .
WM (DD) – He mixes A Cry From the Edge with Living for the Night .
YP – Wow, cool.
WM (DD) – It looks really cool, very cool.
WM (NM) – Angra played Living for the Night , Shaman too.
YP – Yeah, I remember going to the show.
WM (NM) – And you can't not play a song like this, it's going to be part of your repertoire for life.
WM (RM) – Yves, how is it with the Metal guys, the audience, who see you there now, this guitarist who…
YP – You were Metal and then you went Pop? No problem at all, because when I joined Viper had already broken up a long time ago, so the generation had changed a bit. Today it's even funny, because…
WM (NM) – The guy likes Heavy Metal, sometimes he also listens to a rock band, a band, right? Of course, the trio of axé, sertanejo and pagode, we have to celebrate that, but if it's a rock band, a band, right?
YP – No, but you know what I was going to tell you? I would have been screwed if it were back in the Viper days in Portuguese, because, man, people say, 'What did you guys do? This isn't Viper.' And I totally agree with them, with everyone, right? That it's not, like, it's a cool album…
WM (DD) – Felipe said that you should have released this album exactly as you did, just with a different name, not Viper. Vipers.
YP – Yeah, put up vipers, I don't know, an electric fence, anything.
WM (RM) – Electric fence. And listen, the other thing is, after Felipe's interview, which was a huge hit, everyone heard it, we received a bunch of emails saying, “So? A show to celebrate thirty years of Viper, a comeback?”
WM (NM) – Good question.
WM (RM) – Would you be up for this undertaking? Because Felipe said there would be a lot of rehearsal to get the solos back, how would this undertaking fit into your life in Capital?
YP – So, it would be a great pleasure, but Andre is living in Sweden, and I have a show every weekend.
WM (DD) – Wikimetal wants to plan the following, calmly, on April 8, 2015, we have three years to program this.
YP – Yeah, for sure, I'm in on this, 2015 is going to take a long time.
WM (NM) – Quickly guys, so here's the deal, April 8th, 2015, mark your calendars, reunion of the original Viper lineup.
YP – Remember, it's after the World Cup and before the Olympics.
WM (RM) – Three tough years to go, huh?
WM (DD) – Yeah, 2014 will have the World Cup, 2015 the Viper, 2016…
YP – Well, it's okay, I'm in. Andre also really wanted to do this, I wanted to, I think everyone wants to. But it would be great, it would be cool to celebrate my twentieth birthday…
WM (DD) – Thirty.
YP – Thirty? That was a good one, taking away ten years. Oh my, twenty years, thirty years.
WM (RM) – Trying to get rid of it.
WM (DD) – Thirty years of the Viper.
WM (NM) – It will soon be twenty years since Viper ended. It's impressive how a band, almost fifteen years after Viper broke up, still has fans today. The new generations like Viper and talk about Viper.
YP – But you know what's cool? The Metal audience is awesome.
WM (DD) – The day we posted Felipe's episode, the site crashed because it was so popular.
YP – But man, let me tell you, the Metal audience is sensational, what I miss most, I think, is the whole early days of Viper, man, we used to go looking for who was in the spotlight, today, of course, information is much easier, back then we had to check the magazine, the music video would come out, we had to wait for a pop song to play.
WM (DD) – Mr. Sam.
YP – Mr. Sam, exactly. So, but man, even today the audience is loyal, the audience that goes to the shows, you can see that all these Heavy Metal shows, they're all packed, so it's the audience that renews itself, as Bruce Dickinson said, it's like shark teeth. You see that the venues are full, you see Twisted Sister just now was packed, it seems like it was one of the best shows.
WM (NM) – And the guy buys original CDs…
YP – Buy original CDs, buy t-shirts.
WM (NM) – …buys a t-shirt, goes to the show, buys a ticket, goes to two, three, four, five shows of the same band.
YP – That's what I think needs to be made clear, the Metal audience also wants to party, they go there and have fun, but they're also an audience that knows the band well, so I think that's cool.
WM (DD) – And the Twisted Sister opening, right?
WM (RM) – Yeah, it was with Salário Mínimo, a band also from that era…
YP – SP Metal.
WM (RM) – …SP Metal.
WM (DD) – And they have a new album out, a really cool sound.
WM (NM) – You could invite them for an interview for Wikimetal.
WM (DD) – Come on, let's call.
WM (NM) – China Lee?
WM (RM) – China Lee.
YP – China Lee. Man, there was another guy too who I think is a real presence, Paulão from Centúrias.
WM (NM) – Paulão do Baranga?
YP – Who is a guy who is…
WM (DD) – Very Metal.
YP – Lots of Metal, he deserves it…
WM (NM) – A fighter, a fighter, Paulão is a fighter.
YP – … a fighter for Metal and mine, that song Portas Negras .
WM (RM) – Viper played, remember?
YP – The other day I listened to Portas Negras on my iPod.
WM (RM) – Animal, bass riff, it's animal.
YP – Awesome. That bass riff… It’s great to remember that whole era, because there were so many cool bands back then, and there still are. Now, another band that I think also deserves to be remembered here is Vodu.
WM (DD) – Without a doubt, huh?
WM (RM) – Great Voodoo.
WM (NM) – Did they have any shows back then, last year if I'm not mistaken?
WM (RM) – Voodoo?
WM (NM) – Vodu. Yes, Serginho Facci on drums led the crowd.
YP – Sergio Facci, who recorded the album Theatre of Fate.
WM (NM) – He recorded and is a great drummer, an excellent musician.
WM (DD) – He also played with Volkana, right?
WM (NM) – Also.
YP – What a time, man.
WM (DD) – Good memories.
YP – Good memories.
WM (RM) – If Viper was considered the Menudo of Heavy Metal, would you be the Ricky Martin of today?
YP – In what sense? No, but I think it's good. I would be Charlie.
WM (RM) – O Roy.
YP – O Roy.
WM (NM) – Can I ask you something?
YP – Yes.
WM (RM) – It doesn't have to be the whole song, which solo are you proud of having recorded just a part of, a little before until the end of the solo where you say, "Damn, I nailed this one, I'm proud to have done this solo?"
YP – Now I'll have to remember, right? A solo is difficult, but I think if it's for Metal, a solo that I really like is the Heavy Rock , which I was starting to try to figure out how it works, and then listening to it years later, it's kind of clunky, but it's a solo that…
WM (DD) – Cool.
YP – Cool.
WM (NM) – It has its value.
YP – It has its historical value. I don't think it's the best, the most well-made.
WM (DD) – Let's listen to the whole thing, it's a short song and it's a historic song, the first song he recorded with Viper.
YP – This was the first song composed by Viper, and that's how Viper started.
WM (RM) – HR, Heavy Rock .
YP – This show is great, man. You know what it's reminding me of? That TV show… That Metal Show!
WM (DD) – That Metal Show! So it's time to end the show, right Rafinha?
WM (RM) – Yes, let's finish up here with Yves Passarell.
YP – Hey, first I want to thank you for participating in this wonderful program, the eleventh if I'm not mistaken, and thank you because I'm among friends, which is even better, because we remember stories together and everyone here participated in them. So, Wikimetal for everyone and let's continue listening to Heavy Metal, which is always good, it only does good, especially for those who are starting to play, listen to Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest albums, there will be a lot of inspiration there. So a big hug to everyone and thanks. Rafa, Nando, Dani, we're in this together.
WM (NM) – Thanks, everyone, thank you for listening and I hope you enjoyed this Wikimetal program.
WM (DD) – Thanks, Yves. Next: Iron Maiden.